What Hell Tanks and Shytte
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Yah.
There's a reason there's exceptionally high cancer indicators and permanent defoliation and dead zones are ALLLLL up 'round those areas.
We don't talk about it, 'cos well, we don't. Never fucking happened Aye?
And there's enough 'conventional explosives' even back then that could make a pee-wee nook look like just a really really BIG 'normal' bomb.
Jes' Sayin'.
Whoooole lotta 'badness' going on 'round teh intarhwhebz. First was Glen Filthie having to put down his doggo Mort...pure suckage there... Then it was news about Gerard van Der Leun getting hit with the "Big C" and being in hospice. That's two strikes...
So far....
This followed right after with Borepatch and his news about HIS doggo Wolfgang, and his possibly imminent Rainbow Bridge Moment. That one in particular totally sucks 'cos I know both Borepatch, The Queen of the World and said aforementioned Good Boi. Wifey and I were lucky enough to get to bread bread at Casa Borepatch, and met El Perro Grande. Wifey is crushed by the news... He is, and will be always a Good Boi. Big ole loaf of a doogie. One of those rare ones who don't know his age... a terminal 'puppy love attitude' and man, a fucking crying shame he's at the end of a good run.
THEN as if things didn't suck enough in the bleggosphere, word is that Linda, the mate of the bossman, and webmaster over at From The Trenches World Report has taken her last ride to the great beyond... brain hemorrhage.
Times like these make me think of bunkers and getting meself and the doggo to said-bunker. Co-inky-dink is one thing, but man, that's a LOT to take in in a 48 hour news cycle. YMMV and MOIWYW. Lots of DOA doggos and Peepo...
Life continues however, sooooo
Now, far as internationalism and whatnot
Krainfeld apparently banned cops and DotGov from fleeing the Kraine from here on oot. Seems that one mook, the Deputy of Krainefeld, Timoshenko, bolted for Israel of all places.
Gee, whocouldaseen THAT (((coming)))?
I dunno... mebbe dis' fuckin' guy?
Then, the deputy defense minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov, he bolted/resigned as well. Now his case in particular is interesting. He's the guy in charge of the Logisitcs for the Krainian DotMil... which means alllllllllll that filthy lucre... er "international aid" flowed through his orifice. To me? Sounds like his 'nest' was appropriately 'feathered' so he bailed
Now having been supply for a period of time professionally, the terms like "Skim the best, bogart the rest, and leave the tailings for the grunts" comes leaping to mind. Not that we in our esteemed position in the US DotMil did that, but I will admit that there were some 'preferred units' that got 'first crack' at new high speed gear... in my case ALWAYS the front-line trigger pullers as opposed to the fucking Rear Echelon Mother Fuckers playing at 'being at war' got the 'cool shit first and foremost...' them fuckers in the rear got nothing from me.
In fact, proud to say, me and my bro are the reason that the Infantry in mid-04 got Plasma Cutters as part of their 'kit'... a company that makes them donated three sets to us directly, shorting put the 'normal' procurement process, aka the fucking graft and bribery way... this was the very first time the Infantry had been given them... backpack models... VERY compact and VERY good at cutting shit... As it was, the Army had -no idea- what use they could be. When I read the field manual, I saw a potential use and talked to MY guys (2/8 CAV... my boys) and asked them if'n they could use something that could cut through armor and steel like a motherfucker?
Of course they said yes, and I did the paperwork to get the donated COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) equipment out to them. They used it to such effect that the Chief (CW5) of our section (the TIPO Theater Installation Property Book Occifer) went and ordered a fuckton moar of them to be issued to -everyone-
Fuck 'normal procurement processes' Aye?
Hence why the plasma cutter is now a big SOP item.
You're welcome.
My small contribution that I can absolutely say was due to me and mine.
Yeah yeah, lots of 'other' shit went on paperwork wise and whatnot, but the proof was in the test-fielding, which my 2/8 guys did magnificently. Used it to great effect cutting open safes, hard-to-reach shit, and whatnot.
Heard it was good as an improvised interrogation tool, but that's purely rumor...
(Albeit, melting a piece of 3/4inch thick metal, and telling a bad guy, as said metal liquifies, that you need 'operational immediate' info from, that the next stop with the melty-toy is his nutsack? Yeah.. I'd talk for damned sure if'n I were him... Jes' Sayin')
So, evvabody be (((rats))) bailing off the sinking ship, De Chermans came out and openly admitted that the EU and NATO are at war with Russia? OMFG... grab the popcorn...
This's Adriana's favorite vidya...Purely laughs her ass off.
Still.
I miss her... OMFG
Can't beat the Swedish Chef.
But yeah... so many moving parts. Aesop seems to think that the German broad shooting her mouth off is a shot to the foot. Link HERE Now, he posits: "But for those who think one person saying it, or that sending tanks to Ukraine proves it, tell the class how Russian SA-2 missiles around Hanoi triggered the US to nuke Moscow in 1965." For that, a bit of a digression...
A 'for instance' for you 'bout them SA-2s...
I got an "Uncle" who was one of my early mentors in the dot 'don't exist' "stuff"(he's now dead from cancer, go figure... Agent Orange we know was the reason) who was an 'operator'... OSS back in the day... rolled over on and joined a few and ran a few extremely Black Christians In Action team(s)... shit was BEYOND MACV-SOG Black... like midnight Black ...this:
"...kind of shit never happened, shit will never happen and what fucking drugs are you on? happened."
He that told me that the US -did- use SADMs (Strategic Atomic Demolition Munitions... mininukes essentially) on railway routes in and out of the extreme North parts of the 'Nam, trying to hit the railways that were carrying those SA-2s... he ran the missions, but wasn't on them... gave the orders and knew 'things'...
"...kind of shit never happened, shit will never happen and what fucking drugs are you on? happened."
He that told me that the US -did- use SADMs (Strategic Atomic Demolition Munitions... mininukes essentially) on railway routes in and out of the extreme North parts of the 'Nam, trying to hit the railways that were carrying those SA-2s... he ran the missions, but wasn't on them... gave the orders and knew 'things'...
There's a reason there's exceptionally high cancer indicators and permanent defoliation and dead zones are ALLLLL up 'round those areas.
We don't talk about it, 'cos well, we don't. Never fucking happened Aye?
And there's enough 'conventional explosives' even back then that could make a pee-wee nook look like just a really really BIG 'normal' bomb.
Jes' Sayin'.
Closest approximation I could say, what with US supplying the M1A (not sure if'n it'll be the A1, or A2 or AH (heavy), as the A2? No fucking way.) to the Krainians is like the Rooskies handing over them R-12 nookular rokkits to the Cubans. The R-12/14 was a medium-range ballistic missile, capable of carrying a thermonuclear warhead. Better known by NATO as the SS-4 and SS-5. Both could carry from a one MEGATON to a 2.3 MEGATON warhead.
That was lot of 'boom-boom' back then.
Better'n what we had.
Hence our collective pants-shitting "brink of nookular war" shytte back then.
Now, here we are, supplying another country OUR 'bestest tanks' which, in the past have shown theyselfs to be the daddy of ALL Rooskie Armor.
As in "Who's you're Daddy bitch?" level asswhuppin'. Granted, the guys operating the export model(s) T-72 and T-90s were conscript level sub-Gump IQ'd Ay-rabs, but even then, every. single. time. we've seen a M1 variant up against any and all "T" variant Russian armor, the Russian armor gets smoked like a Havatampa Ceeee-gar in every case.
Any wonder Russia is like getting ready to go all "Cuban Missile Crisis" level?
We're going to give the Krainians the equivalent of Nookular Weapons 'armor wise' to them, and train them and then let them ride out against the inferior Russian Armor? Yeeeeeeeeeah... the Russians ain't going to be cool with that. "73 Eastings" comes leaping to mind when I watch "Russian versus M1's" when the 2nd Armored Cav Regiment took out 159 Iraq tanks, with a loss of six dudes KIA and 19 wounded ZERO loss of armor.
It's because, hardware speaking, the introduction of even export level M1A's are game changers. Trust me. I was an Anti-Tank Gunner for two years in the OPFOR fighting M1s and then I was a fucking crewman on a fucking M1.
I know intensely well of what I speak.
Now, this of course grants that the guys they put on the aforementioned M1's are not fucking standard eight-ball Eastern Euro fucktards. An M1 is rather, shall we say unforgiving in it's ability to be AS DANGEROUS to the user as the enemy. It's why I'm medically retired from the DotMil... some asshole fucked me up unintentionally during services... I'm lucky to be alive.
IF they get the proper training and IF they get the proper maintenance support as well as a GOOD logistical fuel and ammo resupply? Then yeah, the Krainians can go 'House' on the Russians. I personally would love to see some vidya of it, because as of now, all I've seen is shitty Krainian versus Russian T-64 vs T-72 shootouts that, by my standards are weak, lame and boooooooring. Dammit, Get me the good vidya Alexi... this weak assed shytte ain't good enuff.
So. As it is, comments always welcome.
YMMV, Don't Run With Scissors
I Remain The Intrepid Reporter
Big Country
There's gonna be a lot of wrecked armour!
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADFq-IVYL3c
Chutes Magoo
Will the use of RU air assets against said M1's cause an air war escalation by NATO? Is this the pawn move TPTB use to start the cross national lines festivities? Asking for a Polish friend.
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Everyone seems to assuming the Abrams will just be facing Russian tanks, but I'm curious about your opinion on how they'd fare against the full combined arms threat. I doubt the Russians are just going to roll T-72 or T-90 tanks against them, I'd think there'd be arty/choppers/other air threats, not to mention modern AT from infantry.
ReplyDeleteCan't imagine there wouldn't have been some quiet info from Iranian or Arab sources after the Iraq boondoggle either, and there's plenty of options other than a hard kill to render them ineffective.
ReplyDeleteCorrect me if I am wrong, but isn't the weak point in any tank, just like most buildings, the roof? Don't we have AT rounds/rockets that pop up to come down from on high? So if the reports of the newer counter battery system known as "Penicillin" that works like the civvy shot spotter, that Ivan is using to reportedly good effect is around, how well will Gen.Abe stand up to 1 or 2 Ruskie 157mm rounds to the hatch?
Sorry about the bad new losing any friend hurts especially those 4 foots in our family. Prayers to you and wifey and for Addy Hope you get to get her home soon.
AT 155 munitions as well. Previously it was SADRAM and Copperhead. Now I'm not sure. Excalibur was still being tested at a $250K per round last time I dabbled in that field.
DeletePlans for WW3 are progressing as planned.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't We The People stop these psycopaths running our government?
US ret. gen McCaffrey said today, "of course the Ukrainians, with civilian contractor support, can maintain these Abrams."
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/Andre__Damon/status/1618374918428848128?cxt=HHwWgMDT5b3az_UsAAAA
WiscoDave
I'm knowing this is a BAAAAD idea from the intel standpoint.
ReplyDeleteYou just know that one of our M1s will all too soon end up in Rooskie hands for disassembly and copy (as much as their manufacturing processes will allow).
Soon enough it will be M1 American vs M1 Rooskie copy.
Not a good idea.
Saaaay.....do we have any M60 tanks left in mothball storage? How well would those stand up to a Rooskie T72 or T90? Can we give those to the 'Kraines?
President Elect B Woodman
That's like the 31 Tigers sent to stop Operation Bagration in 44. Sometimes Quantity overcomes Quality. At 73 Eastings there were no Stormoviks as Saddam's Air Force was either blown up or parked in Iran before the festivities started.
ReplyDeleteThe Krauts have gotten bad at maintenance. Half the planes in the Luftwaffe were grounded in 2021. If tank maintenance is on par with that the Abwehr is sending a quarter of their usable panzers.
This ain't Grandad or Great Grandad 's Deutschland. Blücher wept.
It ain't Grandad's Russian Army either. Think of how Zhukov feels.
DeleteAny bets on when they reinstate the Draft?
ReplyDeleteWomen First😂
DeleteAll I see is more dead White people while jews run safely back to Israel.
ReplyDeletezelensky's lavish home is said to be in jerusalem. he'll go there with the grift and leave the real ukrainians to be killed and to starve.
DeleteAs far as I know the M1 Abrams has never been in action without TOTAL US Air Superiority.
ReplyDeleteIt has never faced top attack anti-tank missiles, nor attack choppers, Kamanzi drones or laser guided artillery. All of which the Russians have plenty of.
When the New York Slimes is doing M1 vs the T72 articles you know that, Dot.Gov is beating war drums for public support.
And now some freaks are trying to say the Russian nuclear forces are "maypops". Even if vaguely true given they have some 8K active warheads just what tiny % of successful BOOMS do you need for a Really BAD DAY? Personally, I'm pretty sure Mr. Putin has special interest for decades to ensure the Samson Option and Dead Hand are fully functional.
Ayup. The recurring pattern in the Kraine is that the Russians are countering our high tech boutique weapons with cheap dime store 2nd world stuff. And -it’s clearly working. The first and second lines of the Uke defence forces have been destroyed and the third is starting to collapse now. Tanks are not going to save the Ukes. This war was lost a couple months back, the mass casualties now are just a formality before the Kraine is dragged to the negotiating table.
DeleteDo you think for a second Ivan is going to send his armour out against that thing? Hell no, he’ll blow up the fuel depots, the ammo caches, and the maintenance garages. That thing will be dead before it fires a shot. As will the Leopards. I love watching liberals try to fight wars.
The funny part and by shear luck I caught a comment made on network news. "The U.S. is giving tanks to give cover for Germany". The funny part is they added that, they won't get them for a year as we are giving them new ones off the production lines.
ReplyDeleteThe grifters on all sides only report we are giving tanks. I guess the real news doesn't sell so well, bwahahahaha.
Although I did send a link to a friend a week or so ago about the Abrams sent to Poland I believe commenting how our sorry ass goobermint would probably be training ukies on them and then donating to escalate the start. I hope pooty poot blows those leopards out of the water.
I think/heard the Ohio plant only produced 1 tank a month.
DeleteIn '03 I saw multiple M1s that had been taken out by French Milan ATGM lined up in a yard at Arifjan, Kuwait. It won't be pretty.
ReplyDeleteps Not to be a jackass but it's 73 eastling. Fuckin Siri just tried to spell it like it did for you, stupid bitch.
ReplyDeleteIf you know not of what BC speaks look up greatest tank battles on I think the history channel. We kicked the livin shit out of them. BC I hadve a friend who goes by Arty Jarhead. He ran artillery behind those badasses. Said they move so fast they couldn't keep up. Also said his unit at some point set a record for arty rounds in a battle. Old so can't remember if it was a timed or total record.
I loved the Chef as well but he has a little different voice these days.
brandon and company, kids playing with matches in a room full of gasoline. hope you got the iodine for the grand babies.
ReplyDeletePlasma cutters are awesome - puts a cutting torch to shame. I bought a small, 110 volt model for short money to work on an old truck, and it cuts 1/8" and 3/16" steel like the proverbial hot knife through butter.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of tanks, I just learned about Killdozer, the dude who armored a bulldozer and went on a rampage in Colorado in 2004. Extremely interesting real life story.
Killdozer Day is celebrated annually on June 4th.
DeleteI have the feeling that one of those tanks will find it's way (undamaged and unused) into the hands of the Russians or Chinese within a week. Some 'Kranian cleptocrat will then retire in luxury to an undisclosed fun-n-sun destination. Then the buyer will reverse engineer the thing and save years of R&D
ReplyDeleteThat is my guess.
DeleteI dunno, but I figure the treasonous kid sniffer handed some to them from Afghanistan.
DeleteWere there any at Bagram that got left behind? The Russians and/or the Chinese may have already got hold of one or more. It's not only useful to reverse engineer for copying. It's also useful to determine weaknesses. The treason is so deep these days that some of the hardware that we sent may have bypassed the Kraine completely and went straight to Beijing.
DeleteSo how long is train up? Think GAE is going to put Amerikanskis in them instead? Or since DE is "at war" do they have personnel trained up on M1s? So many fun outcomes.
ReplyDeleteSteve S6
I am not an expert at armored warfare but how much difference will 31 M1 tanks really make in a conflict where thousands of tanks have already been destroyed?
ReplyDeleteMy HS friend who went career tanker said he thought it was likely there were still pre-'86 Abrams in boneyards that were getting whipped into shape. He said to the best of his knowledge, the post '86 Chobham is still classified, at least parts of it, and the Rooskies would love to get their hands on a few.
ReplyDeleteThoughts?
Appreciate your thoughts brother. Also your service. 19K20 85-93 D co. 4/8 Cav
ReplyDeleteWell...I guess the operational term here is "if". As in "If" they get there, will they do them any good?
ReplyDeleteWe're also not talking about them showing up next Tuesday. It's months to almost a year of setting up the logistics and training. In the meantime, Russia may decide to do something at this latest line crossed. Blowing rail lines into Ukraine from Poland comes to mind. In the meantime, Russia is turning thousands of Ukrainian troops to hamburger.
I get a kick of the bloggers today that are talking like they're sitting at a game board, polishing up their tank pieces and player cards like we're talking about a WW2 battle.
Consider:
1. What kind of lunkheads are going to be crewing these wondertanks. I'm thinking it's the same guys that had their shit blown up and now need new toys. Or worse, noobs.
2. Even US crews have never been up against a similar adversary IRL and Russians love them some tank tactics and strategery.
3. They aren't going up against an old export T-72. Their going up against t-90s and updated t-72s. don't think the Russians weren't taking notes in Iraq.
4. Far as I know, the M1 has never been in a theater where it didn't enjoy the benefits of drone free air superiority. That ain't happening here.
Back in WW2 the Sherman was technologically inferior to the Tiger, and even the Panther. But we had a shitload of them, they were easy to fix, and we had a logistics trail. The tables are turned here.
I saw a vidya today with a Wagner dude, who was asked what he thought about the arrival of the M1s. He said "eh...they'll burn like all the others"
I would add that the Russian crews, even if they are not schooled as well, are currently in combat. No training is better than a year of combat experance.
DeleteAll of this gifting of tanks, more weapons, etc. Sending in "advisors" to help the poor defenseless Ukrainians. My old lady neighbor, 88, loves Biden, loves democrats, thinks that we are supplying a righteous and devout people. I said, "You were one of those early Beatniks, right? Mom and Pop supporting you at teacher's college while you got laid and banged drums and read stupid poetry?"(By this point, because I am right on, she is furious.) "Remember how Vietnam started? Same shit. Where's your Democrats now?"
ReplyDeleteIF they get the proper training and IF they get the proper maintenance support as well as a GOOD logistical fuel and ammo resupply?
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The Germans already sent them Flakpanzer Gepard AA guns. The Ukes wrecked them in about a week.
German doctrine is to periodically light the plane up and retreat back to cover, and when it is in range, open up with short bursts. The Ukes would light the plane up, and as soon as it was detected, stand on the firing stud. They ran through all their ammo before they ever got near a Russian plane, burned out the barrels, and wrecked the firing system that wasn't designed for continuous fire of the entire magazine.
Doesn't matter how much fuel and ammo you send them. They will burn it all up as soon as they can, and then complain about how the gear you sent is defective because they were able to break it. They are more destructive than a USMC PFC.
Makes me wonder if some of the KBR (other MIC) job postings from January 17th post here are potentially related to tank supply/maintenance? Per your comment, I can't see the Ukes performing requisite maintenance on these things either with the minimal 'training' they are likely to receive. Have to get civvies familiar with them to perform that tasking?
DeleteDitto on the Greatest Tank Battles episode (IIRC it might be two parts.) I laugh every time at the "Where the hell is Eagle Troop?" line.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKZn-vT9CRE&t=1527s
Saaaay.....do we have any M60 tanks left in mothball storage? How well would those stand up to a Rooskie T72 or T90? Can we give those to the 'Kraines?
ReplyDeleteAFAIK we have a few that we are using for target practice. As for how it would do, it did pretty well for the USMC in Desert Storm. Not sure about actual Russian crews.
https://www.usmcmuseum.com/blog/the-m60s-last-hurrah
Everyone seems to assuming the Abrams will just be facing Russian tanks, but I'm curious about your opinion on how they'd fare against the full combined arms threat. I doubt the Russians are just going to roll T-72 or T-90 tanks against them, I'd think there'd be arty/choppers/other air threats, not to mention modern AT from infantry.
ReplyDeleteI'm not, I'm expecting the Russians to use arty and mines to bust the tracks, and then have a turkey shoot with bombers and MI-24s, along with a healthy testing of the MI-28s. Of course, that's if any of them actually make it off the rail cars intact.
Problem is there's no tank vs tank fights in the kraine. It's all about running the armor forward until it's blasted by artillery. Precision artillery. A drone lights up the target and guides the shells right onto the turret. That Wagner dude is right, they'll burn and that's all they'll do.
ReplyDeleteBut the moolah! Oh man the moolah that's coming will be insane! All of Europe is about to burn their entire Leopard tank park. And to be replaced with what? Not Leopards, not with their slow production rates. Gotta be from stocks. Who has stocks of tanks? That's right Uncle Sam. First sky high energy costs to kill EU competitors. Second the Inflation Reduction Act to pay EU industry to migrate over. Third bomb the gas pipelines so they have to buy US gas. Fourth make them replace all mil gear with US production.
Problem is there's no tank vs tank fights in the kraine. It's all about running the armor forward until it's blasted by artillery. Precision artillery. A drone lights up the target and guides the shells right onto the turret. That Wagner dude is right, they'll burn and that's all they'll do.
ReplyDeleteBut the moolah! Oh man the moolah that's coming will be insane! All of Europe is about to burn their entire Leopard tank park. And to be replaced with what? Not Leopards, not with their slow production rates. Gotta be from stocks. Who has stocks of tanks? That's right Uncle Sam. First sky high energy costs to kill EU competitors. Second the Inflation Reduction Act to pay EU industry to migrate over. Third bomb the gas pipelines so they have to buy US gas. Fourth make them replace all mil gear with US production. Cha ching baby!
You make a great point that I have not seen elsewhere, to wit: Give a guy who doesn't speak your language a complicated tool where all the buttons, knobs and dials are in English, and even the keyboards are not in Cyrillic, and you expect him to fight in it?? Now, triple that problem by sending in American, British and German tanks. It only seems to make sense as a way to pre-position war tools in country while sneaking qualified tank drivers in. Whatta bad idea.
ReplyDeleteAs long as the Military Industrial Complex is making money they don’t care. Four different languages and a pile of shit to see who eats it first.
DeleteWhile the M-1 is certainly (one of , everyone will argue) the best Tank out there right now, the numbers being sent, and the probability that they won't be Crewed by Experienced Treadheads, means that even if a larger number of T-90's get Destroyed by them, like others have pointed out, Armor without Air Superiority doesn't get far. And as History shows, Quantity has a Quality all its own when it comes to Tank Warfare.
ReplyDeleteThis War is just another one Fomented by the (((usual suspects))) to get White Men to Kill each other, for the Profit of the (((tribe))).
@TechieDude, 11:40 "1. What kind of lunkheads are going to be crewing these wondertanks. I'm thinking it's the same guys that had their shit blown up and now need new toys. Or worse, noobs."
ReplyDeleteOr worse, the person cutting the orders is the same lunkhead who thought Cannonball Run into Kherson was a good idea.
"I have an idea. Let's let the Russians take all the time they need to get set up to shoot-n-scoot, then we advance without waiting for our counter-battery, so Russia changes plans to shoot-n-shoot."
"Brilliant, Z."
"Hey what happened to all our men and vehicles?"
https://gab.com/TheOutlawJoseyWales/posts/109744863171430472
ReplyDeleteJosey Wales
I'm assuming we're going to give them some Monkey model tanks? I mean, export-grade tanks optimized for developing-world military use? Otherwise, I mean, it makes me think of Boeing accidentally giving that full-up version of their jet to the mongs to crash on a calm and sunny day instead of the speak-n-spell models we usually give to the goons.
ReplyDeleteI pray to the Good Lord that the paperwork for the Abrams tanks gets lost and the tanks Kid Sniffer wants to send get stashed next to the Ark of the Covenant in Warehouse 13. Any one of those Abrams will get poached and sent to China and elsewhere for reverse engineering. Red
ReplyDeleteTo Skyler the Weird26 January, 2023 07:39
ReplyDeleteThis ain't Grandad or Great Grandad 's Deutschland. Blücher wept.
If I may be open:
Thats how you wanted us Germans to be.
JCS 1067, remember?
Militarism has to be cut out, burned out, removed from the german soul. They must be incapable for fighting.
That was the great goal of Churchill, Roosevelt, Truman etc. Thats what WWII was about.
Congratulations, you succeded.
Alex Lund
Even granting unspoken fairytales about SADM use (which nuclear residue evidence would have been news worldwide in about a minute and a half, with the Swiss and Swedes providing confirmation, and America being a pariah for the next century), that still isn't nuking Moscow.
ReplyDeleteVlad getting butthurt because we're sending in weapons that're kicking his ass begs the question "Why so sad, Vlad? You said you were winning?!?"
And, Point Of Order: tanks aren't nukes, no matter how hard somebody contorts to say otherwise.
Moscow set the precedent with SA-2s in the 1960s and 1970s. Now it's biting them in the ass? Too bad, so sad.
You want to talk apples to apples, they'd have a Cuban Missile Crisis beef if we shipped IRBMs to Ukraine. But we haven't done that, and no one will, for exactly that reason.
Vlad's getting his ass kicked conventionally, otherwise he'd have no reason get butthurt.
He's going to have to win or lose the same way.
If he didn't want the rest of the world supplying Ukraine, he should have picked better playmates than Iran and the Norks.
Or else GTFO, apologize, pay damages, and stay the fuck inside his own borders.
That precedent was settled in 1990. Recidivism got Saddam a noose. Vlad should take a hint.
It also bears noting that the Russian Air Farce has been MIA since Feb. 27th, and the Russians haven't been able to run a combined arms op successfully in 330 days of trying, which is why the Russian Army keeps advancing toward Moscow, rather than Kiev.
Whether the Ukes can maintain, or even utilize, M-1 Abrams tanks is an open question. Though if we'd started some of their crews in training last February, they'd be graduate-level armor kickasses by now, with enough time to do BCT, AIT, and about five full rotations through NTC by today. Just saying: something to ponder. [Amateurs talk tactics, etc. So, by the by, anyone heard how many Ukrainians we've been running through training courses since last April...? And how many NCO and ossifer trainers, in what MOSs, have been getting Ukrainian classes at DLI-FLC?? Those are the million-dollar questions to answer.]
The question, as it was with the M777s, is whether we're sending just a token, or enough for a brigade task force.
Oh look. It's a Jew pushing for Goy to kill other Goys for profit of other Jews. The more things change the more they stay the same.
DeleteYah, General Aesop (Reservist Marine Arty maybe) Lets SEND American Advisers into a NON-NATO War Against Russia.
DeleteWhere did I hear that bullshit before?
As for your wishspeaking remember Putin is the MODERATE that is keeping the angry Russians from nuking us into Mad Max (Quote "what's a little fallout between friends")
Aesop, how'd that attack go yesterday or day before when the ukies shot every single (all) the thousands of missiles and drones out of the sky? As was claimed on social media.
DeleteMichael,
DeleteWe've covered this multiple times, in words even you could grasp.
I served solely on active duty, with all three Marine divisions, and was never a reservist (unless you want to count being a poolee while waiting to go to MCRD, or the time on IRR after my second active duty enlistment ended). Why that fact fascinates you, while simultaneously kicking your ass every time you try to make claims of which you know Jack and Shit, is a thing of mystery. But you do you.
But that level of s.f.b. is probably why you try to straw-man the suggestion that American advisors be sent to Ukraine, when I've suggested nothing of the sort, but rather maintained from the outset that we send not a single American serving military person (other than military attaches/observers, as has been the rule everywhere since forever) into Ukraine. Maybe hire an English tutor to help you with the big words? I dunno. Not my problem.
Where you heard the bullshit to which you refer was probably your senile ass making the same ludicrous claims some other time you made them. I don't keep track of your nonsense, and apparently, neither do you. If you want it to end, maybe stop sniffing your own farts?
Just a suggestion.
Under the same heading, try offering your own original input, instead of making it your online career to shit on things from other people that are beyond your grasp.
If only for the novelty.
@BCCL,
Most days, the Ukes claim somewhere between 50 and 75% of Russia's hand-me-down Iranian garage-built drones intercepted.
And it's not beyond comprehension that over time, they might get better.
100% seems unlikely no matter who says it.
But it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything under this topic, nor the price of tea in China.
So, what's your point?
That people propagandize in war?
Stop the presses.
Meanwhile, which way is the Russian Army moving since late August? Towards Kiev, or Moscow?
Aesop you know why I don't believe you were an active duty Marine?
DeleteYou would never survived in the service with your thin skinned I know it all attitude.
Your inability to just let a subject drop and serious need to belittle anyone who disagrees with you would have gotten you many a blanket party.
Hey thanks for thinking of us, BC.
ReplyDeleteWhen I got rebuked by General Aesop, I was informed that Russia is NOT at war with NATO and I was stupid for thinking it. Rather… Russia is at war with the world. I guess the General CAN suck and blow at the same time and I stand corrected!😂👍 I think he also needs to look at a map of the world and redo his math.
As the only adult in that room at the time…if Russia IS at war with us…then we should be at war with them, right? But all we get are mealy mouthed insults and evasion from these guys. If they are not at war with us by current definitions… then Russia is only at war with the Kraine and the sooner that comes to a negotiated settlement, the better.
Glen, you're quite simply incapable of NOT lying when you make a case. The problem is you keep sucking and blowing yourself, but no one else is impressed with your act.
DeleteI told you NATO wasn't at war with Russia. Anyone can tell this is so, because Moscow isn't a glowing radioactive slag heap.
Russia, OTOH, has decided that can take on the whole world, but so far can't even manage to best Ukraine. Russia seems to have their hands full trying to keep from being pushed all the way back inside their own borders, and their best maneuver seems to be the headlong retreat.
But if you can document any case of the US or NATO actually attacking Russia, or vice versa, go ahead and link to it. Hell will freeze over sooner than any such proof will be forthcoming.
If you can't prove any of that, playing masturbatory games by incorrectly using language are only pleasuring yourself, without demonstrating any of the things you think you are so.
I get that you only drop a log everyplace because you like the smell of your own shit, but is that really all you've got to bring to the picnic?
Littering blogs with retarded blowhard takes as usual. Nothing of value. Just slippery megalomaniac opinions and constant AMOGing. So tedious. So cringe.
DeleteI just hung this article up on a other board I hang on. It speaks to a REAL ISSUE they will have to solve: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m1-abrams-tanks-in-u-s-inventory-have-armor-too-secret-to-send-to-ukraine
ReplyDeleteThe Drive Warroom is cool shit.
Night Driver
Probably why it's coming from new production in a year. It will be demilitarized somewhat. Somebody above said they (think I read only one plant produces them) can produce one a month. About equals the commitment.
DeleteThe wiki on 73 Easting named after the UTM Coordinate involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting
ReplyDeletehttps://eurasiantimes.com/russias-t-14-armata-tanks-caught-in-action-on-camera/The Russkis are rumored to have 120 or so of their new T-14 Armata tanks available . They haven't committed any T-14 yet, so they are an unknown in real combat situations. some folks say they still have a metric shit ton of 70's & 90's left as well. Course it won't matter if Putin pushes the nuke reset button.
ReplyDeleteVlad's getting his ass kicked conventionally, otherwise he'd have no reason get butthurt.
ReplyDeleteThis logic works both ways. The clown is getting his ass kicked, otherwise NATO wouldn't be risking nuclear war just to send him less than a battalion of tanks in a war where the Ukes have allegedly both lost and destroyed over 1000 tanks.
RE: Chobham armor -- It would be interesting if 31 is exactly the number of bone-stock M1s we still have from the early 80s. No Chobham, the old 105mm gun, etc.
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming we're going to give them some Monkey model tanks? I mean, export-grade tanks optimized for developing-world military use? Otherwise, I mean, it makes me think of Boeing accidentally giving that full-up version of their jet to the mongs to crash on a calm and sunny day instead of the speak-n-spell models we usually give to the goons.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking more like the Taliban crashing our helicopters backwards, but yeah. That's been the experience with all the other gear sent to them more advanced than, "this is the dangerous end, this part makes it go boom."
Aesop, if Bakhmut is what "Putin getting his butt kicked" looks like, my guess is he'll take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
ReplyDeleteThere are two reasonable paths out of Bakhmut left that don't go directly through Ivan. They are already well within Russian indirect fire range, and parts of them, direct fire. Any bets that they don't have solutions dialed in to hit every inch of that road if Z gives the order to evacuate?
Anonymous,
DeleteIndirect fire works both ways.
Tell the class why Putin is doing another call-up of cannon fodder, since the last one has been largely stacked up as frozen meat around Bakhmut, and also failed to budge things for weeks on end.
Vlad will take that any day of the week because he isn't the one getting racked and stacked like cordwood.
Just as socialism always eventually runs out of other people's money, eventually Vlad runs out of other people's children.
Then it's another Russian Makarov Retirement Party, starring his brains on the Kremlin walls. And, like Stalin, another announcement of a convenient "stroke". (Which is technically correct, the offending cerebrovascular "accident" in each case being the timely lead injection through one of the ear holes).
Keep hoping for Russia to finally come up with their "Any Day Now" offensive.
We're only on Day 340 now of "Two Weeks To Flatten Kiev".
".. isn't the weak point in any tank, just like most buildings, the roof? "
ReplyDeleteNo, it's the supply lines.
Brilliant answer! 10/10.
DeleteA close second is "the guys inside getting out to take a crap".
Night Driver hit on the big issue, the US won't send any Abrams with the depleted uranium armor package on it, and the US has a tiny number of Abrams left without it. The issue Ukraine is going to have is that western tanks are conceived with certain pre-conditions in mind, such as robust logistics support and well trained crews. AFAIK Ukraine has neither. If any of the western tanks they get even reach the front, I would bet that they last a couple of days, at most, before they are deadline from mechanical or logistical issues. The M-1 in particular is a notorious fuel hog, and I highly doubt that the Ukranians have the field logistics capability to keep any M-1s they get fueled up.
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