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Greetings Me Droogs N Droogettes!
Lots of jokes about my walkabout and my potential location in North Carolina where the lights went out.  Not me, got witnesses.  However...  Couple of things I've been masticating in Ye Olde Thinking Meat, and the first thing that popped into mind (and a lot of 'others' as well) was just how quickly they had the distro on the press packet put together on this...
American Partisan had a good write up on it.
Seems a bit too convenient that they had all the locations mapped out and given to the press... to include the immediate suspects, who, IRL were nothing of the sort.  Add on the dogpile on anything even remotely construed as 'right wing' anti-groomer, as there was a scheduled groomer session *drag queens for lil kids) supposed to take place, and the narrative chugs along nicely.  It also, when one thinks about it, is a perfect area to cause some minor disruption without genuinely inconveniencing any of the Cloud People, and Moore County NC is deep red AF

What they haven't mentioned was the targeting so to speak, well... whomever did this knew exactly where to hit, with maximum impact with minimal exposure.  No word on caliber or type of weapon either.  The primary target was the substation and another sub station that caused cascading ripple effects. 

I dunno.  The only other 'televised' event of this nature was back in California.  Now the reason I say this is are these ackchully the only times that power stations/substations have been disabled/taken out of commission due to small arms fire?  Or is it a case where they couldn't HIDE these particular ones?  

Now, I studied the California Case(s) and it -did slip- that some of the shell casings found were of the Rooskie 7.62x39mm variant.  Makes sense as them transformers, not sure as I've never shot at one, but I think you'd want a moar substantial caliber like a  .30 and up to punch thru the casing to have the oil leak out.  5.56mm personally IMO is good for beer cans and the like... them Transformers are a bit more 'beefy' methinks in construction.  To punch enough of a hole to get the oil to drain out and cause it to burn out/blow up/flare out you'd need a bigger boolit.

Now, the other unmentioned thing.
Well, mentioned but cause/effect thesis/antithesis:  They say it'll be a few more days til everyone is back up and running:  Link HERE  The money quote (and mind you, this happened Saturday Night!):

 "Duke Energy officials have been able to restore power to about 7,000 customers as of Monday afternoon. Spokesman Jeff Brooks said that was largely the result of work that could be done to repair some damage. But the vast majority of the damage is going to require replacing equipment, and it could be Wednesday or Thursday before most customers receive power again."

As oh so many people have pointed out, Denninger and a lot of others, is the spare parts?  What spare parts?  Of these things they know not of what they speak.  I'd say they're praying that somewhere in the rest of the Untied Staatz there's a rural power company with the transformers they need being packaged up and shipped out right-fucking-NOW to get the juice flowing.  Because having been a guard and on a QRF Anti-Terrorism Task Force for TECO (Tampa Bay Electric Company... sounds waaaay cooler than "$12 an hour rentacop" amiright?).... I'm pretty damned sure a BIG part of the reason there ain't no spares, besides the normal 'minimal JIT logistics' is that Duke more n'likely shipped their spares down to Southwestern Florida after the 
hurricane.  TECO and Duke and a bunch of the other power companies scratch each other's backs like that like all the time.  Wouldn't doubt that they depleted their spares and have orders in for MOAR to China and Indonesia where they're made, BUT

There another aspect:  Curious minds want to know if any of the other power companies Nationally sold off their transformers to assist the Kraine in getting their grid back up after Ivan's month long infrastructure blitz?  I'd bet, and I'm not a big gambler, but any bets the Kraine  has been flashing cash trying to buy up spares from all over to rebuild?  I wouldn't doubt it for a second.  That'd fer sure add to the issue of why they haven't been able to fix shit quick-quick. 

Which then begs the question:

Are/Is? Spare parts like that considered 'critical (national security level that is) infrastructure' that would be illegal to sell off to a foreign country?  I know for a fact that as an Antiterrorism Officer we fell under Homeland Security when it came to the crunch on securing the power plants from bad guys.... leastways as much security as you were going to buy at $12 an hour...  And I positively know that there ain't that many small transformers, never mind the medium and the big 'uns?  Like I think TECO had a grand sum total of TWO Big 'un Trannys on hand, and they were multi-million dollar items and as big as a small house... and the lead time on them was 18 months... medium trannys are more available, but still mondo $$$ and lead time for production?  Again, 6-12 months, depending on needs be.

The whole "lets rely strictly on a just-in-time delivery/overseas manufactory for our critical infrastructure repair items" now?  Yeah, great for the shareholders, notsomucho for the folks affected when shit goes sideways.  In fact, tell you what:  My dime store analysis:

IF this was a move predicated on the idea that the Left could utilize this op as a means to go after the Lt Gov of NC as posited by AP in the article above, then this'll be a one off occurrence as it did provide what was needed to move the narrative again
However
OTOH IF this was/is the beginning of something larger(ish), outside of blatant copycat stuff that is), we'll see MOAR CARVER level strikes in areas that are NOT so rural.  Make NYFC a blaqqed-out Medieval Hellhole even fasterer and moar betterer.

THAT RT would be a grab the popcorn moment.
Thoughts?
More Later I Remain The Intrepid Reporter
Big Country 

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  1. Yeah, pop the breakers in Queens, would be a hell of a show!

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    1. Or is that "pop the Queens in the breakers?" Jes' Askin' LMAO

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    2. Queens hell, the last time there was a big outage in NY it came all the way south to Delaware OH (inclusive) which is a hand of miles north of Columbus. Not supposed to cascade like that supposed to be breakers that prevent it. Never heard an excuse for it either.
      Steve S6

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  2. Living just a couple counties over from Moore county, this has been all over the news. I for one do not beleive it was some Redneck group trying to stop a tranny show...why do the whole county when you can just cut power to the actual building. I have assumed this is some kind of external terrorism event...my guess is the Chinese causing trouble and testing the system. Also, wasn't it a year or so ago that several of those large transformers were intercepted on delivery from China and confiscated as they had the ability to remotely control the things from over there once installed?

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  3. Are the transformers we use even compatible with Europe's electrical grid to be able to ship them off to Ukraine?
    Anyhow, as to the limitted stock of the large transformers, and the long lead time to get them from overseas manufacturers, an large scale EMP event is one of my worst nightmares. That would set us back to the late 1800s technologically for a really long time.

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    1. Not sure... we run 110w in the house, they use Eurotrash 220w-240 however, the transformers aren't the final 'step down' and a LOT of them are 440... maybe "Bob The Electrician" can answer?

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    2. Worse than late 1800s as we don't have the infrastructure to support that period's tech. Never mind enough people with the knowledge and skills.
      Steve S6

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    3. One article I read about the 'Kraine said that the Junction Transformers (these are the ones 'Above' what got Sniped here) were 320 Kilovolts, some weird Sovietski-Leftover types that haven't been made for Decades... It seems that General Armageddon has had Every One of them in the 'Kraine turned into Scrap Metal.

      As far as I know, those Big 'uns are "Wound" (the Coils) to do One Thing Only - make Voltage X into Voltage Y - so you 'spec' that when you Order one- then you Wait. So chances of Z. the kosher faggot crackhead getting replacements from the 'West' are probably Un-possible... Never Mind that a 600-Ton Object moves a lot slower than a Hypersonic Missile.

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    4. 1. Wasn't there, didn't Do It.

      2. A 'lesson' that the Regime may be (better fuggin' SHOULD BE) Terrified by, but probably won't be.

      3. An Example of how Easy it will be to Counter the desire of certain (((people))) who want their Utopia of all the goyim slaves Living in Pods, Eating Bugs, Owning Nothing and Liking it, running on the Hamster Wheel to earn "Central Bank Digital Currency" that (((they))) decide what you can 'spend' it on. None of that 'Works'
      without Electron Motivation.

      4. For a different opinion on Whodunnit, "NC Scout" at American Partisan outlines a case for this being done by "The Left" to make "The Right" look Bad. at https://www.americanpartisan.org/ "A Lesson in Asymetric Warfare in Moore County".

      5. If this truly IS an "Independent Operation" by some actually "Unknowns" it will have to be "Spun" by the Ministry of Propaganda as Anything BUT that... they Dare Not let it be widely seen that "Anyone with a Rifle" (evil, black, or not) has a Vote in whether the Lights are ON or OFF.

      6. Expect that if some 'perps' are 'found' by the end of the Week, and they Fit the Description of the usual "Eeebil Whyte Soopreemicist, anti-semite, anti-LGBTQWERTY" types, that they are patsies for whichever 3-letter agency actually Did It.

      7. IF the (real) Facts come out regarding the Caliber of Weapon used, that will become the "Next Thing to Ban". Or maybe Not; the Regime may well use this as a reason to Blame and Ban the .50 BMG "Sniper Rifle". Note that they are Unlikely to even Mention the existence of all those M-2's (Tax-Stamped or Not) since they would have too much Trouble with those Taxpayers (or Tax Avoiders).


      Hard to say if this is any kind of "Game Changer" or "Triggering Event" but I think that it probably gets Flushed down the Memory Hole as quickly as possible... Giving this a lot of "Airtime" only exposes the Achilles Heel of the "Beast"- its Total Dependency on the Grid. Can't have too many more LWO's looking into THAT little Vulnerability, can they? What if someone with a Solothurn or Lathi A-T "20" went Hunting for one of those Slow, Grey, 800-Ton, "Grid Tie" Elefants?






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    5. Not an EE, nor do I play one on the internet - BUT: besides the voltage differences, there's also a difference in the alternating of the current - frequency wise, that is. Here, it alternates at 60Hz (60 times/sec), while overseas - it's 50hz (50 times/sec). For some things, that's no big deal. For others (like things that have induction motors or large transformers) it CAN be a big deal. For motors - the speed they run at will likely be wrong, if they even start up, plus they may overheat easier. The issue w/transformers is they may overheat easier - to say nothing of the voltage difference. I'd be interested if there are any power system EE's around that could point out the important issues (should we - for example - need to *import* any medium/large power system transformers).

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    6. Short answer, yes, most elements of a substation work fine on Euro power.

      Longer answer, V=IR and P=I^2R, everywhere and always. They actually work better at higher voltages because there is necessarily less amperage, and thus, less power dissipation. (Read "heat".) All that is critical is that the voltage does not exceed arc design, and that you don't try to push too much power through it, which is the control circuitry, generally not in a place susceptible to gunfire.

      In my AO, we used to have somewhere around 40 acres of spare transformers, all the way up to replacement parts for a nearby nuke. When I drove by last week, there were only 3 of those dinky things that hang on the top of electric poles to supply a couple rural houses, and one pad-mounted unit suitable for a small subdivision.

      Get ready for fun times.

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  4. Now imagine this happening all across the country, to blue hives. Then toss in a few substations that feed DoD installations.

    And then take out a few that feed launch control bunkers where 2 man missileer crews stand watch.

    Do all of this inside 48 hours, and watch D.C. melt down.

    Dear FBI agent reading this: This is a hypothetical scenario, a stream of consciousness what-if by a retired loggistic bubba from the Navy.

    If I can think about it, so can a 12 year SO2 SEAL you fucks got kicked out of the Navy because he didn't want to take the clot shot.

    Perhaps you FBI extra special agents should be thinking about what you and your fellow agents can do to keep this a hypothetical situation, instead of tromping all over the country with fucking golf shoes on.

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    1. Yeah, thats what I was dreaming, I mean thinking....
      My best guess is this is a blue false-flag to use as leverage on gun control. They REALLY need to take our guns away before they get too serious.
      If it truly was an "operator", or even Jeb with half a brain, they would have taken out the pole and/or local transformer. No need to blank the whole county (and they hit more than one unit - totally unnecessary to kill a drag show).
      What I would love, LOVE to see, when they announce gun control measures over this, is every single one of those blue cities lose power. All of it. Overhead lines, underground lines, transformers, poles, towers, bring it alllll down. Then pop some popcorn.
      Yup, you and me out in the country will be just fine, my well has a hand pump, lol, and we run on septic. Good luck!
      Surround the cities, anyone caught trying to get out gets shot. You voted for it, you live with it!

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  5. Set the following link. https://mostlycajun.com/wordpress/?p=58489

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  6. I built hydroelectric generators before I retired. I don't know about the transformers in the substations, but I can tell you that the transformers in the powerplants are all custom built for each application. You're looking at a two year wait for a new transformer to be built. The last dam I worked at had 10 generators and five transformers, one transformer for two generators. They had one spare transformer on site.

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  7. Been sayin’ for years all it’ll take for abject chaos in most of the lower 48 is to pull the plug for a few days. Natural disaster prone regions like the Gulf Coast and Tornado Alley, and the good ol’ farm boy areas would probably be just fine. Big cities? 🀣🀣🀣 Couldn’t happen to better bunchapeople….

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    1. I believe the current meme wisdom is: 9 meals to anarchy (about 3 calendar days - and: did you have plenty of gas for the generator to keep the fridge/freezer working? If not, on-hand perishable food stores just failed - and no stores to restock from). Yep - power down over an extended area and time and it'll get real interesting real fast. Most parents would be willing to do just about anything to keep their kid from starving and/or freezing. It'd make for a cold dark winter... For many folks, at least. πŸ˜‰ (except perhaps for most of the fine folks here).

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    2. @Brian, Most "conservative" parents. Libtartds have been getting their kids clot shotted.
      Steve S6

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  8. I feel dumb for saying it out loud, but 7.62mm is literally .30 caliber.

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    1. .308 vs .311 OD, and the yellow tip ball X54 will jump to a magnet 3" away...

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  9. The pole transformers are what steps down to 120/240 volts. Each one only serves a few customers. It is the ones that step up at the power plants and the ones that step down to the intermediate steps that are the big bottleneck. Basically substations and higher are the main issue.

    The lowest of the high voltage lines can be stepped down to 120, 240, or 480 volts depending on the customer's needs. I once maintained a radio transmitter site that could only be supplied 480 volts by the electric company because we required three phase power. We had to use our own transformers to step it down to the 120/240 volt service required for the equipment

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  10. When it comes to makin holes in steel velocity is king. I've popped plenty of holes in 1/4 inch mild steel plates at 100 yards with plain old m193. YMMV

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  11. It's not just the voltage, it's the electrical frequency. The US and only a couple other places run on 60 Hz, everyone else in the world (including Russia, Ukraine, pretty much anyone you could think of in Europe) uses 50 Hz. It's possible but I think very unlikely that our transformers over here made their way over there.

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  12. Dood..... you BETTER be taking care of yourself up there!!! It’s to far for this Cowboy to ride. And answer yer GD phone!πŸ‘πŸΌπŸ€ 

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  13. The whole thing stinks like a well used groupie.
    Thats all I Know for Sure.

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  14. True enough, but doesn't the frequency come into play at the generation end ? Why would a transformer care what the Hz was.

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    1. Transformer efficiency is strongly effected by the frequency. Higher frequency, more efficient --> if nothing else a 60 Hz transformer with 50 Hz running through it would have more loss (heat) and wouldn't provide as much output power. It might work at reduced level, or maybe would wear out faster I'm not sure. In some places (like the .mil in some vehicles and ships) 400 Hz gets used for various equipment and it's amazing to see how small a transformer can be used with 400 Hz power.

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    2. It does. They are optimized to work at the desired frequency.

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  15. last i heard there were multiple actors involved. being this is near ft. bragg, the mind wonders if maybe its just some bored sf vets out for kicks. adrenaline high is hard to reproduce, even with drugs.

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  16. I was sitting at a light when a very big transformer rolled through a little town in SW Kentucky (west of the lakes) Monday afternoon on a major N-S thoroughfare headed south toward Paris, TN (wide load and took up both southbound lanes).

    TVA or West KY Rural has been working on a couple new substations in my county but this one was headed the wrong way.

    As soon as I saw it I thought about NC.

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  17. "Not sure... we run 110w in the house, they use Eurotrash 220w-240 however, the transformers aren't the final 'step down' and a LOT of them are 440... maybe "Bob The Electrician" can answer".

    I'm not an electrician, but I have dabbled in the trades. The step down to the house isn't really to do with the transformers. It's more meter/breaker. 220v is two hot wires. 110volt is one hot. I've been zapped by both. The Euros are probably using the same types of parts. If not they're probably still compatible. If they're not I'm willing to bet they can be easily modified to work. I'm still learning how all the amps, volts, and watts go together. Hoping to go back to school for it next year. I really prefer plumbing.

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    1. EU is different, 220 is one hot wire over there. 380V is two or three phase. Same as our 240/416 but reduced due to 50Hz.

      Power companies typically have plenty of spares

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  18. A lot of the substations around here could benefit from a dirt berm around the perimeter.

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    1. The few in my AO got them, shortly after 9/11.

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  19. A transformer doesn't care what voltage (within reason) or frequency it is just like a wire doesn't care what color the insulation is.
    All a transformer does is step up (or down) voltage according to it's windings and internal taps.

    When I was PWD Rota, Spain- we used Spanish transformers on base (12470 60HZ) all the time.

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  20. BCE~ Many years ago I was working on a project which required an all new power Generation plant with all the bells and whistles. I was looking at the plans and questioned the Lead Time on the Schedule for the equipment. The Procurement Manager said there was plenty of time to order it. I called the Client wanting to know their Schedule and when they needed the Equipment listed delivered for installation and who was Installing the Towers, Wires etc. Plus could he send his lead time list for any of the equipment and materials. That plenty of time was a matter of one week for a delivery of six months out. That was when everything was still being sourced here in the U.S.A. The Penalties for not sticking to the delivery schedule were horrific. Red

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  21. Back in 2020, down here in Indian Country we had a handful of substations get taken out by shotgun fire...WalMart grade 12ga slugs and 00 buck. Lots of overtime for us boys in blue to sit and guard substations 24/7 until the city & county could build walls and install cameras. Took a long time to get replacement parts, and that was with a functioning supply chain.

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  22. I work making the casings for the big transformers. The sidewalls are generally 10 mm steel plate. The radiators are usually only 1.2 mm thick. Shoot a radiator and the oil will run out just the same, causing overheating. Not suggesting you do so, of course. Just for interest, we made a bulletproof one for New York State a few years ago. The whole thing was encased in a sheath of the material used for digger shovels.

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  23. we used to make stuff here in this country. like transformers and other key parts needed for the world to go on. I think it was back in the 1980's that the EPA put a stop to a lot of companies that
    made those things. they even shut down a lot of mines too. like the lead mines and smelters
    iron mills and other key parts/companies here.
    anyone wanting to destroy the country would have a easy time of it as we do not have the spares for anything anymore. and we have to beg someone else to make it for us (???)
    funny part is they also want to get rid of junkyards as well. that makes no sense at all.
    over 90% of all steel is recycled. close to the same for copper and lead- batteries ?
    the power grid is a mess. it is a easy target for anyone with brains.
    importing things we need to run as a country is just stupid. but you will never convince the Greens of it. every time I see a windmill, I think of the sheer amount of waste that went into building something that will never pay back even close to what it cost to make and install the stupid thing. same thing for solar panels . just ask Texas how well they work in winter.

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    1. Worst thing we ever did was send most of our manufacturing out of the USA. So CEOs and stockholders could profit more. F-in' greedy, shortsighted asshats..

      FedGov over-regulation, and policies killing mining and heavy industry ...

      And this Green insanity...

      Hmmm, you'd think TPTB were intentionally trying to destroy our country.

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  24. During learning my job (plain theory) I had a stint (I had to do some time while actually doing something related to my job) at the local power supplier. One of the guys there told me it would take only a small amount of people (no, I wont tell the exact amount of people and what you actually need) to send Germany into the dark. And he said those transformers have delivery time of 6+ months. And that was more than 20 years ago.
    In the meantime we listened and obeyed McKinsey and went full throttle to Just-in-Time, so I assume we are now at 12-18+ months for delivery time.

    And to who did it: What if it was a small reminder of an Eastern country that is pissed that US weapons are sent to another not so-eastern country.
    Of course, if this is true then Poland and Germany would have been better targets. But as both countries are just lapdogs maybe this country decided to send the message directly to the Big Boss.
    But then (no, not Washington DC, that would be too close) maybe New York or so whould have been a better target.
    And then it would have been Popcorn time
    Alex Lund

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  25. tried to send from my phone last night but didn't work. Check this out from MostlyCajun as he works for a power distribution company in Louisiana... https://mostlycajun.com/wordpress/?p=58489

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  26. Shortage probably due to hurricane season and locals around the country now not willing to give up spare parts. Probably a false flag to give some idiots the idea and they will be waiting for them next time.

    Bear Claw

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  27. Not arguing any of the things that have been said here but, having built/repaired transmission and distribution lines for a lotta years before entering my current occupation, some of the time estimate on the return of power is likely due to the state of the structures around it i.e. the poles,arms, pots and insulators and the hardware that goes with it. Rural places are often neglected when it comes to maintenance and repair so before going back online, that would need attention as well.

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  28. Reminds me of something Bracken says often, "Everyone gets a say in the electrical grid." I could see the regime using this is incident as a way to push gun control forward. "No one needs a high power rifle with a scope to kill a deer! You think the deer are wearing Kevlar and are a mile away? You couldn't buy a canon when the Second Amendment was written. Buy a shotgun. Come on man!"
    OTOH, if they push this too hard, a bunch of pissed off red state types with high power rifles and scopes might get the idea that DC by candlelight would be quite romantic. The higher-ups likely know this and are more than a little concerned.
    I'd still say this is likely a fed op, but was put together by a field office guy who is now probably packing his bags for his new post. In Fargo.

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  29. Talking about False Flag operations. There is a some really weird shit going on in Germany today. Given the catastrophic political situation in domestic German politics at the moment, with most of the current German government in the direct pay of the Russian oligarchs, one way or another, today's raids are straight out of the FBI False Flag playbook. Look. Look. Over there. "Extreme Right Wing" squirrels. Who were plotting to take over the forest and kill all the wolves.

    This is the usual BBC bullshit version of the story. One of the few outlets covering the story so far in English.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63889792

    Run this through Google translate to get the gist of just how batshit crazy the story is.

    https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/reaktionen-auf-reichsbuerger-razzien-103.html

    The German police and security services are utterly incompetent so I would believe less than zero of their claims about a "coup". The German security services make the FBI look honest, law-abiding and competent.

    There are very strong elements in Germany trying to shutdown freedom and democracy. But they are almost all in the government elites and government. Not the groups which just had members arrested.

    In Germany scratch any politician of any color, Red, Yellow, Green, Black and you will always find Brown underneath. The NSDAP mindset is German to the core. Germany is now going very Late Wiemar and after what happened the last time Germany had a mental breakdown like this might be a good idea to pay attention. For a start some people closer to home might be watching to see what the German government can get away with.

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    1. My physics prof in college was a Gemanophile. He was genuinely worried about reunification. He said the world ALWAYS sits up and takes notice when Germans are united behind a single goal. He warned we'd regret allowing that to happen. That was back in 89-90...

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  30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdhEZZKPqWw Check out this little documentary about Owens Valley California. regarding the article above, and do some thinking about things.... comeandmakeit

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